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[Frank]

Dogma

I think you have me (and probably PFM) all wrong. 

I don't bathe in the lake
I always catch and release
I shoot animals with a camera
I don't fertilize my lawn...hell, I don't even cut it and spew toxic fumes with those lawn-mower things
I snow shoe, and cross country ski
I don't poison squirrels and chipmunks
I collect rain water from my roof
I turn down the thermostat
I don't flush if it is yellow...and I don't leave the seat up
I only drink red wine
I have a wind generator
I love seeing the fall colours
I know how to start a fire without a match
I shower with a friend whenever I can
I don't pick the trilliums

....does all this put me back in the good books,  just goes to show that you can't really know a person from the internet.   

[BandD]

Frank - You're beginning to sound like one of us "old fashioned cottagers." Enjoy it! We're not here that long anyway. Time flies all too fast.

[Frank]

Frank - You're beginning to sound like one of us "old fashioned cottagers." Enjoy it! We're not here that long anyway. Time flies all too fast.

Heh,  You obviously missed the part about showering with a friend.   

[Pfm1011]

Dogma

I think you have me (and probably PFM) all wrong. 

I don't bathe in the lake
I always catch and release
I shoot animals with a camera
I don't fertilize my lawn...hell, I don't even cut it and spew toxic fumes with those lawn-mower things
I snow shoe, and cross country ski
I don't poison squirrels and chipmunks
I collect rain water from my roof
I turn down the thermostat
I don't flush if it is yellow...and I don't leave the seat up
I only drink red wine
I have a wind generator
I love seeing the fall colours
I know how to start a fire without a match
I shower with a friend whenever I can
I don't pick the trilliums

....does all this put me back in the good books,  just goes to show that you can't really know a person from the internet.   

Additionally I have over 200 acres of forest ...just growing and churning out oxygen..half of which was replanted at my cost just so my descendants can enjoy it.

    I spent 10K in lighting control systems in my offices just to kill the lighting..( a cost that will never be recovered by the hydro savings but makes people feel warm and fuzzy) I spent years working (volunteer) with endangered animals   (not with scammers like greenpeace or Peta, both of which could care less about the animals..just the dollars) and this was long before it was trendy to do so.  I do not hunt and do not allow it on my land
 
I however do flush if it is yellow  I also run twin Volvo's in a 30 ft express cruiser , Drive a HUGE SUV ( no spinners) , Modified my car to bring it up to 425 horse ( As we all know that 400 horse just isn't enough) and jetski when ever possible.. I would own a hummer H1 in a second if they weren't such crappy performance... just because they are obnoxiously large and can drive thru anything

Dogma ..If you believe that talking about  buying an acre up north and living like a poor redneck while driving a old beat up pickup spewing smoke and dripping oil is in some way good for the planet and gives you the right to make speeches and be holier then thou , you are sadly sadly mistaken..
 
Go buy a big chunk of land or two , Plant a few thousand trees, help save a species or two then you can make a speech......maybe

[Frank]

Additionally I have over 200 acres of forest ...just growing and churning out oxygen..half of which was replanted at my cost just so my descendants can enjoy it.

Geez PFM, you are a great guy...thanks for reminding me...I also own about 150 acres of bush...much of it original carolinean forest, but with thousands and thousands of trees that I planted many moons ago...with the assistance of my boy scout troop...where I taught them to light fires by rubbing two sticks together.   

I think that between the two of us, we will save the planet indeed.

Oh yeah, I forgot, as well - I use an outhouse at the cottage...only till I get the septic system hooked up and get some indoor plumbing (coming soon).

p.s. For those that are interested, I am installing a geo-thermal heating system at my cottage (vertical loop)...I have a relative in the business.  If you are considering it and you need to drill through your rock, let me know and I'll hook you up.

[speedfreeksteve]

I can certainly understand ones "needs" in the so called wilderness, from most of the lots here that are obvious city born...and raised.

Many of you have ruined "cottage" country, and our Canadian North this past generation by your selfish need of consumption.I also would go so far as Canadians north and from T.O have invested in "northern subdivisons" rather than having a more "holistic" approach to rural, or country get away.

I would suggest, the cottages or shacks of old, were poorly constructed, and indeed lack any practical thought or resources once "developed".

I'm fair from city born and raised.. although I live in the city now since it's more practical. Many owners in cottage country are in the same boat (pardon the pun).

You may think cottage country is ruined, but I beg to differ. Sure, some of it is overdeveloped and I've even seen non-motorized lakes in Haliburton overdeveloped as well with 60 foot lots full of trailers all around the lake.

I really don't see how a non-motorized lake is somehow more holistic. The non-motorized lakes that I've been to, 80% of the people are burning crap in firepits and burn barrels left and right. Dumping their sewage in questionable ways, and burning propane all day and night to stay warm in their non-insulated shacks or trailers.

To each their own I guess.. I like my seadoos.

[Dogma]

How did I know I was not the ONLY boy scout here?

Unfortunately; one needs to put things in perspective. Still. 

Your all GUILTY!

I believe most of you wanta be "cottagers", for a reason. With all of the amenities of home. Be that T.O or North Bay - Costco Products.

Some just kind of affordable conscious, I guess. From the old boys!

But amateur forest rangers...NOT.

I still believe you believe in private property, and the right to "burn" the rights of others,

Especially Mr. PFM - diddy. Canadian rednecks are not my friends, with their junkyard attitudes, and Sammy Hagar 8 tracks, and Molson Canadian T-shirts.

But, I'm not stupid they can/will get you out of jam, up in near north.

Walk softly my friends.

[Pfm1011]

still believe you believe in private property

I absolutely believe in private property.   The entire basis of our civilization is based on agriculture which can only be done on private land. ( or crown land using slaves whom you defeated in battle and will eventually sacrifice to please the sun god.. but apparently that is frowned upon today)

Without private land, we would not have farming. Without farming which started 8000 BC  ( give or take a day or two ) we would still be nothing more then hunter gatherers and have absolutely no civilization.  ( Of course if we were hunter gatherers still I would not have to waste my time writing on here, I could just bash you with a rock and the discussion  would be over..hmmmm maybe the old days weren't so bad)

Starving in Africa...caused by NO PRIVATE LAND BEING FARMED. Desertification of Africa :caused by NO PRIVATE LAND BEING FARMED

The entire middle east was a cedar forest and was clear cut thousands of years ago. No one replanted as there was no owner of the land to do so at the time. Reforestation is ongoing in the middle east now in certain areas financed by emirs and private owners mostly ( It started in the fifties, Long before "charities")

If you believe that the masses of misinformed tree huggers will somehow protect the land you are sadly mistaken.  Property owners protect the land, not misguided people who are being led around like sheep by greenpeace who simply cons them into becoming fundraisers.

There has never been a successful "communal" society  ( Of course , on a evolutionary level , Jonestown was a success in cleaning the gene pool)

 Forests and land are protected by the landowners as they are the only people who have interest in putting in the money and time to protect it.  Is it evil to cut down a tree to build a house??..not if you replant it..that's renewable resources..That's true "green" 


There is more forested land in North America today then there was 100 years ago and greenpeace hasn't planted any of it. Billions raised and not an acre saved by them . With the billions they scam out of people every year, they should be buying up land and giving it to the people ..

BS speeches and protests don't save the land ...Private owners do.

[Frank]

Canadian rednecks are not my friends, with their junkyard attitudes, and Sammy Hagar 8 tracks, and Molson Canadian T-shirts.

I take exception to being called a redneck...that is truly a first for me.

However, I do have a Molson Canadian T-shirt (if that's what makes you a redneck), but like they say..."if the shirt fits - wear it"

[speedfreeksteve]

I believe most of you wanta be "cottagers", for a reason. With all of the amenities of home. Be that T.O or North Bay - Costco Products.

Some just kind of affordable conscious, I guess. From the old boys!

But amateur forest rangers...NOT.

I still believe you believe in private property, and the right to "burn" the rights of others,

Especially Mr. PFM - diddy. Canadian rednecks are not my friends, with their junkyard attitudes, and Sammy Hagar 8 tracks, and Molson Canadian T-shirts.

But, I'm not stupid they can/will get you out of jam, up in near north.

Walk softly my friends.

Much of this posting seems to have no context or clear meaning.. but I still feel the need to respond.

What's wrong with having a cottage with amenities? I spend virtually all of my "fun time" at the cottage in the summer. So would it make sense to have my good kitchen, hottub, and jet boat at my home in the city? I don't think so. My cottage is actually nicer than my primary residence, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't need amenities to survive through the winter.. just satellite TV so that I can watch the weather channel until the snow melts.

I don't see the debate over private property.. who isn't for property rights? (other than a couple people in Cuba)

BTW, I love the junkyard attitude of the rednecks I know. I actually learn from them at times. Last year a redneck guy I know had the front door on his house break off the hinges. So the guy calculated that a sheet of plywood and some nails would be alot cheaper than buying a new door and hardware... so he boarded up his front door and has been using the side door on his house every since. Pretty smart.. eh?

[26.2]

I absolutely believe in private property
I would like to believe in private property, but I think it is a bit of a myth.  After I pay my taxes I feel like I am paying rent.  Maybe we are all really long term lease holders.  We all know what happens if we don't pay taxes... our property is sold from under us to some greedy tax sale b@$tr*d.
Actually I agree with those that are for having comforts in cottage country.  My family has had the same cottage for 78 years.  It has remained unchanged except for the added furnace and additional out buildings and a little insulation here and there [not enough].  I don't know what my late 80s parents would do without satellite TV.
I don't know a lot about the politics of Green Peace, but they have brought green issues to the headlines and made many people think about the planet and the consequences of their actions.
As a red/green  neck once said " Hey, we are all in this together.  Keep your stick on the ice"

[Dogma]

PFM-diddy - is going on about how "great" private property is throughout history, but fortunately (I) we are in the here and now.

And the here and now - we have or will have 7- 9 billion (that's with a "B") souls on the planet not a few hundred thousand "hunter gathers", as you seem to base most of your naive argument on....

What does your "theory" have to do with one respecting the land we have now, crown land or private or the natural habitate that sustains, contributes to the well being of us all?

The near north wanta be types here, are obviously in agreement that the traditional cottage country is dead. I am sure the 400 or 69 is busier, wider because of you all.

The "right" to have as much house, toys and consumption as possible (NOW or going forward) to 12 Billion is your "Private RIGHT".

Maybe that's why we have governments to make rules for the "general public" instead of leaving all to the "private sector"?  Go figure!

Seems an uninteresting life to only consume, show off, or the greed to do what you want when you want...is what I am against, and especially in near north! Its our last nature.

I see nothing here more than the sme old, same old...T.V's, video games and jet ski's thrills land consumption by despot rulers. Ones that no little about the rest of the world, or history.

Very sad.

Just stay away from the near north, and near me  - do you bidding in T.O.

OK Frank - you seem like a good, reasonable soul. Please go ahead & wear your Molson Canadian shirt. Without the beer belly on the dock, - only at night.

Please the ladies will thank me.

[Frank]

OK Frank - you seem like a good, reasonable soul. Please go ahead & wear your Molson Canadian shirt. Without the beer belly on the dock, - only at night.

Please the ladies will thank me.

Phew, I thought I was dammned for all of eternity. 

I'm workingo n the beer belly, and my wife won't let me be seen in public with a speedo until it has disappeared.

[ErnestBidder]

"so he boarded up his front door and has been using the side door on his house every since. Pretty smart.. eh?"

  Yeah, until he has a fire and the way out is boarded up.

"the beer belly, and my wife won't let me be seen in public with a speedo until it has disappeared"

  The beer belly, or the Speedo? Oh, the horror of it all!

  There really are no property rights in Canada; in the end, you do only rent the land and get your deposit back. That's why you see the OFA signs on farms, that say "BACK OFF, GOVERNEMENT, THIS IS OUR LAND!" Make no mistake about it, if gov't wants your land, it's theirs, but the points in regard to private ownership are well taken.

[Pfm1011]

You are correct about the crowns right of expropriation at fair market value..Without it nothing would be built as there would always be an a--hole who who blackmail the government on every road , rail or crown project.  They do have to pay you fair market and they usually end up paying 15 to 20% above the market.

OFA signs on farms, that say "BACK OFF, GOVERNEMENT, THIS IS OUR LAND!"


Actually those signs arent from the OFA, they are the Ontario landowners association ,  A collection of rednecks who oppose clean water act, oppose the pesticide act, oppose the endangered species act, oppose the greenbelt oppose everything (except for farm grants)

 They want the right to subdivide their land at will. want the right to graze 10000 head of cattle beside a river without storage tanks for the manure , want the right to use illegal pesticides , want the right to starve animals., want the right to clear cut forests..( which they do on mass and then call it a "protest") want the right to mine without permits, want the right to ignore health and safety laws..etc etc

Check their website out ....Redneck central http://ruralrevolution.com/website/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=144&Itemid=219

As a landowner in this province..these self serving scum disgust me and all legitimate farmers who actually obey laws