Innisfill Results?

[Rob]

What do you think of this idea:

A new board / subboard - called Tax Sale Sale Results..  but only visible to those who are registered?

Options could be (it would be viewable to:):

- Members
- Members At Least one post
- Members with least 5 (any number) of posts
- Guest [ ANYONE ]

Which option is most appealing to you personally?

[Rob]

I think most new members want to get involved but are new and may feel they have nothing to contribute  Maybe the idea of setting a new members area or an area on the site where instruction and guidance could be given might create to a new crop of hunters.

Then there are always 1 / 2 the people you see at auctions who may or may not visit the site but never see the value in adding anything because it might give someone else a leg up.  The only way to bring those people in is implement a force posting / before viewing the forum.  That's the it was before the internet, most BBS had a forced post rule before you could play any mods or download.



93 Featured Properties.  vs   222 Featured Properties in 2010

That's interesting.  I'll have to take a look at the number of properties overall posted in each of those years and compare the ratios.  It might be a case of less properties posted this year.


When I run the above calculations, are there any other numbers (in relation to tax sale properties) members might be interested in learning about?   Like how many Moonbean properties in 2006 + 2008 + 2010 were listed during a full moon

[mickey84]

My opinion would be to have it so that to view that area you have to be a member with at least 1 post. I am not a frequent poster on this website as most of the time I have nothing to contribute (unless someone has accounting related questions).

The thing is I am a young guy with my Chartered Accountants designation that is learning this business in my spare time and currently do not have the extra cash flow to not be an avid participant in tax sales. However my goal is to learn as much as I can (and have over the last couple of years) so that when I have the cash flow I can jump right in when properties in my area come up.

[26.2]

- Members with least 5 (any number) of posts

I think [maybe] 5, but in the current year if that is possible.  That way they are active and not just posting a quick five to see a lifetime of results.  Also I think this will be an incentive to post, with a reward......results!

[netpred]

I suppose an interesting option would be to somehow limit it to members who have posted results. Of course, if you can't access the results area you can't post results either. Sort of the the chicken or egg question, or more appropriately for this forum, Moonbeam or Dave2?

Rob, I think that I favour some level of posting. When I look at the old posts it is pretty clear that while there are now many more members and views, there were more people posting a couple of years back.

Another option of course is to charge a couple of hundred bucks a year for this service (like you know who  ) and then give us fewer results every year  .

[Pfm1011]

Members with least 5 (any number) of posts

Of course people will just post crap to get to get  5 ..so maybe add membership for 3 months and 5 posts ..but if they post crap , report to rob and delete them

or simpler is just put the results in private members area..

then again..just make them public for everyone who is registered to see..

I have a couple houses in UK, the  purchase price info is all public    and there are several sites which give the info for free  ..mouseprice   zoopla etc     screws the realtors as they cant spew crap about 900% increase this week..time to buy ..or the infamous .."gee I don't remember what it sold for but I think it was around one hundred trillion dollars"    ( Canada / US  lying pricks have all the previous data for neighbourhood sales but hide it from buyers..ask your realtor for a neighbourhood sales report  before you make an offer..and this douchebag who is "working for you "  will suddenly get amnesia..)   I would call them cockroaches however the bugs would be offended by the association

( a buyers agent is the same as a "buyers assistant" at an auction..their job is to BS and confuse you and convince you to bid more and more for crap, ..bizarrely enough the realtors started ads a few month back about getting a buyers agent to help you..douchebags extraordinaire   its like running ads trying to convince you to to get AIDS...as  it is great for weight loss )


Estate agents in UK charge flat 1K more or less ..super high end estate agents change 1.5 % but will get you 5 to 10% more for the property


sorry , off and a tangent there.

..If we post results for everyone , it will help get rid of people making  stupid low  bids  ($1 over 15K minimums on Bobcaygeon waterfront etc) as they will see what the stuff really goes for ..and will also show the no bids received stuff showing the crap that is out there..Im all for educating everyone in the game to get rid of fools...I hate losing to a fool who overbids


Note..we still don't have the results for Innisfill posted    whats the pins  ? , I will post results when they transfer


As a bonus offer..if Rob sets up a results forum.....I Will post results for the first 100 requested pins ...( tax sales only, no buyer info , just price )

[Dave2]

What do you think of this idea:

A new board / subboard - called Tax Sale Sale Results..  but only visible to those who are registered?

Options could be (it would be viewable to:):

- Members
- Members At Least one post
- Members with least 5 (any number) of posts
- Guest [ ANYONE ]

Which option is most appealing to you personally?

Rob:

My dream list wishes are probably too difficult for your capable execution.

a) members overall (I don't have a strong opinion about the number of posts)
b) guests only see all the ones that redeem or go for an unaffordable/unrealistic high amount.
c) the really good sale purchases are reserved for members with at least 5 posts
d) ideally the member's nickname who bought them is also displayed. 
e) as an option all of the bids are displayed   

In a small way whatever the rules I will continue to do my part.  In a year like this where my priority has been on the development and sale side of the business it will be less of a contribution then when I have to get active on the purchase side hopefully to replenish depleted inventory. 

Finally it would be nice if we had a (well restricted access)summary of the trophy purchases (If they exist, I ain't telling).  Some of the people here like this guy 
are so smooth I can just imagine some of their classic purchases.

One of these days I will get into their league but I have to spend more time in the minor leagues first.

[MHT]

Members with least 5 (any number) of posts

Of course people will just post crap to get to get  5 ..so maybe add membership for 3 months and 5 posts ..but if they post crap , report to rob and delete them

or simpler is just put the results in private members area..

then again..just make them public for everyone who is registered to see..

I have a couple houses in UK, the  purchase price info is all public    and there are several sites which give the info for free  ..mouseprice   zoopla etc     screws the realtors as they cant spew crap about 900% increase this week..time to buy ..or the infamous .."gee I don't remember what it sold for but I think it was around one hundred trillion dollars"    ( Canada / US  lying pricks have all the previous data for neighbourhood sales but hide it from buyers..ask your realtor for a neighbourhood sales report  before you make an offer..and this douchebag who is "working for you "  will suddenly get amnesia..)   I would call them cockroaches however the bugs would be offended by the association

( a buyers agent is the same as a "buyers assistant" at an auction..their job is to BS and confuse you and convince you to bid more and more for crap, ..bizarrely enough the realtors started ads a few month back about getting a buyers agent to help you..douchebags extraordinaire   its like running ads trying to convince you to to get AIDS...as  it is great for weight loss )


Estate agents in UK charge flat 1K more or less ..super high end estate agents change 1.5 % but will get you 5 to 10% more for the property


sorry , off and a tangent there.

..If we post results for everyone , it will help get rid of people making  stupid low  bids  ($1 over 15K minimums on Bobcaygeon waterfront etc) as they will see what the stuff really goes for ..and will also show the no bids received stuff showing the crap that is out there..Im all for educating everyone in the game to get rid of fools...I hate losing to a fool who overbids


Note..we still don't have the results for Innisfill posted    whats the pins  ? , I will post results when they transfer


As a bonus offer..if Rob sets up a results forum.....I Will post results for the first 100 requested pins ...( tax sales only, no buyer info , just price )

Sounds like you have had some bad experiences with real estate agents.....sorry to hear that.  There are many excellent agents out there who will indeed represent the best interest of their clients and will have provided all of the information (that you say we apparently hide) in order to help the client understand the true value of the property in question.  To me, this is the only way to do business. 

I have no problem pulling info for people on sales prices for properties in Ontario.  In order to get sales results it will just take having someone call the municipality in question or, if they are willing to wait until they transfer, we can pull all requested sales prices (I have no problem helping out in this manner as well if a forum is created for results and am willing to go back through some previous sales if people have requests).   If anyone has questions about a sales price of a property and would prefer to ask privately, so long as they are an active contributor, I have no problem pulling that info as well.  I know I do not have a lot of posts myself as I really do not have much to offer with regards to actual tax sale advice, I would love to help out on the general real estate side and posting this sort of info. 

[Pfm1011]

Sounds like you have had some bad experiences with real estate agents.....sorry to hear that.  There are many excellent agents out there who will indeed represent the best interest of their clients and will have provided all of the information (that you say we apparently hide) in order to help the client understand the true value of the property in question.  To me, this is the only way to do business. 

 

hahahaha...do you practice that in front of a mirror ....of course you represent the best interest of the client if you represent the seller .as its in their best interest to make the buyer overpay....but the buyers  agent.....also wants the buyer to overpay

[MHT]

Again, just plain ignorance.  If you decide that you would like to have a civil discussion on issues then I'm all for that.  If you want to continue to attack myself and all other REALTORS based on some bad experience that you may have had, then feel free to continue in your ignorant bliss.  I thought this forum was to help people, apparently I was wrong. 

[netpred]

This forum is to help people. It is also for the exchange of views and opinions. I have said it before and I will say it again, PFM can be very blunt, but I usually find myself agreeing with much of what he says. On this topic I tend again to side with PFM. In my experience (as limited as it is) unethical and incompetent real estate agents outnumber the ethical and competent.

As an aside, I note that the governing body for agents is currently under investigation by the Competition Bureau. This Bureau has serious concerns about how the MLS is used and who has access to it.

[MHT]

Sorry, but someone calling you an "effin douchebag realtor" without even knowing you at all speaks volumes to their own character and goes beyond the limits of exchanging views and opinions.  To question ones integrity without cause shows an ignorance that is not called for in any facet of life.

[MHT]

You guys wonder why more people do not participate in forums such as this...maybe it is because of keyboard warriors such as Pfm!!  Really, who would want to try to help out if that is the reaction that you get from the regulars on a forum? 

[Rob]

I setup the board, and for now set it to only members without a post restriction just to get things started.  We can add the 5 post limit and perhaps a waiting period in time.


Things get heated up quickly.

MHT, don't take any comments personally, people will be judged on there own words.  For the general public real estate agents provide a huge assistance and will generally get a better home for a cheaper price than most people can do on there own. For someone like Pfm or others who have gone through the process 20 or more times they feel that agents can be against there best interest at times.

In one of Malcolm gladwell's novels he explains that it is not always in the best interest for real estate agents to get the best possible price.  They compared the numbers of when and how long an agent's personal property was on the market compared to a clients.  They found that on average agents will keep there property on the market for a few weeks longer and get about 10,000 more for a home.  If a house sells for $10,000 more, the agent will only gain $500 more (using 5% comm. value) and the extra few weeks on the market increase advertising costs.  But if the agent owns the home the extra few weeks on the market and advertising costs are nothing compared to the extra $10,000 income.


I personally find real estate agents helpful, useful and important.  If I were buying or selling a home, I would use a real agent's services because they would sell at a higher price than I would have be able to get on my own and they handle negotiations.  Using one when buying makes sense because it doesn't cost you anything (it costs the seller).   Does it increase the overall cost of the home price?  Yes... but agents are necessary... for most people.


Does anyone have any opinions on lawyers? 

[Dave2]

I personally find real estate agents helpful, useful and important.  If I were buying or selling a home, I would use a real agent's services because they would sell at a higher price than I would have be able to get on my own and they handle negotiations.  Using one when buying makes sense because it doesn't cost you anything (it costs the seller).   Does it increase the overall cost of the home price?  Yes... but agents are necessary... for most people.

Does anyone have any opinions on lawyers?  

I am not going to wade into the discussion except to refer people to the following URL

http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-news-events/forsalebyowner-com-founder-gives-up-on-own-listing-hires-real-estate-broker/

Bottom line is the founder of for sale by owner used a real estate agent to sell his own place.