Tehkummah

[DRD]

Haliburton is where I got schooled on the new rules, from my understanding this is new within the last few years. Got a permit for another property and the inspector was great. I believe it is how he is feeling that day and if he has a complaint to follow up on.

[netpred]

Dave2 is generally correct. The legislation that governs the issuance of building permits in Ontario is the Building Code Act. It sets out the broad law. You can download a copy at this link:

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_92b23_e.htm

The actual document that sets out the various rules and details pertaining to construction is commonly referred to as the "Building Code". It is actually a regulation made under the Building Code Act and a copy is available here:

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_060350_e.htm

These rules apply province-wide irrespective of municipal by-laws. Local municipalities have more of a say in what and where you can build, but not in when a permit is required or in how you can build. These are matters that are consistent province-wide under the authority of the two documents referenced above.

A permit is not required for re-shingling a residential roof anywhere in Ontario.

[DRD]

Now I know... seemed easier to do as he asked then fight, have 4 properties in this area and wanted to stay on his good side.

Thanks for the info

Doug

[Dave2]

Now I know... seemed easier to do as he asked then fight, have 4 properties in this area and wanted to stay on his good side.

Thanks for the info Doug

Doug:

In the bigger picture perspective you might have made the right decision given the number of properties in the township you have.  Unfortunately these people have a lot of discretionary power and a lot of the issues are not black and white but open to interpretation.

Interestly enough if you look at old posts you will see that I have generally argued for / followed
your approach whereas Netpred for example I believe I can honestly say has argued for a more "firm" or harderline approach. 

Both can be right in certain situations.  I just wish I could know in advance when I make a bid.Given the large number of bids today it is an important judgement call in bidding success.  Who knows in future I may have to ask for your help in building a doghouse which I may reside in after one of my judgement calls doesn't work and my significant other gets done with me. Just wish I had a quiet mild mannered one like Frank does. 

The only advantage is most doghouses are less then 10 square meters which hopefully does not need a permit, but then again there are all sorts of regulations regarding outbuildings.     

[DRD]

Pm me if you wish, I have found another way to skirt those rules if you want a little bigger dog house. This one thought up by one of my lawyers and has stood up so far. Speaking of this how has your pumphouse worked out.

[Dave2]

Pm me if you wish, I have found another way to skirt those rules if you want a little bigger dog house. This one thought up by one of my lawyers and has stood up so far. Speaking of this how has your pumphouse worked out.

Pump house and tax sale purchase worked fine. (see photos and Kijijji ad)

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-housing-other-Building-Lot-with-132-of-Frontage-with-Bunkie-and-Dock-W0QQAdIdZ195692387

 Now that McGuinty has finally announced the completion of the 407 which will be about 10 minutes by Road from this location and a 5 minute sheltered boat ride, and once I get or don't get the final piece of the puzzle, we will get serious.  Then we decide if we want a location within a half hour or
one that is somewhat longer but is large scale classic Georgian Bay complete with big pine trees and my own bald eagle. (see painting from Canadian Art Data Base) Interesting Decision trade off if market decides not to take one from me.

 http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-housing-other-Waterfront-10-Acre-Georgian-Bay-Private-Island-with-Cottage-W0QQAdIdZ196375578

The big problem in this business is always that when you win something then the real work begins.  There is always something from the wind storm on Thursday that caused a chain saw crew to shut down to trying to get council to give you what you want.  Depending what happens to me next week I may have to take you up on your doghouse offer.

I can always head to the far north to see what is happening with with some properties up there now that construction of the big gold mine has started.  Gee adding 3,000 workers to a town of 4,000 might even affect local property values.  Even this guy thought I was crazy,   but I have my reasons and sometimes it takes a while before I show why.

http://www.northernontariobusiness.com/Industry-News/mining/Detour-Gold-set-to-shine-north-of-Timmins-0727.aspx

Even my wife surprised me when she said if we were 10 years younger she would suggest we relocate up there to live on  the property we bought.  I am not certain which one she prefers but that is why we go through the things we do in this crazy business.  At $100 an acre a little cheaper then southern Ontario farms even if the locals thought we overpaid (by about $20 an acre).  The only headache is a mile by a mile property takes while to walk even if it is on a gravel road. At worst I can always sell it to these guys.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/March2009/04/c5715.html

[DRD]

They both look good, good luck with sales. I will check out the island next time I fly over that area.

[Dave2]

Netpred:

In a rezoning unfortunately the local council acts as judge and jury.  Hopefully we do not encounter the third; the executioner. Unfortunately Not all of us have your skills. 

[Pfm1011]

Rezoning is really at the discretion of staff, they like you and they recommend to council ..you get it...they don't like you ..they recommend against you and you will be at the OMB for years . There is nothing you can do, noone to be fired etc etc.. remember all government reports start at the last page and then begin work

A real  example : I was involved in a commercial development years ago which required a noise study.

The staff asked for a study based on 24 hour average ..they liked me and the project .

the alternate a instantaneous sound based study.

One takes the average noise in the area over 24 hours and then your project  noise is added and if you don't increase ambient averages by more then say 5% over the 24 hours  you get approved.  Under this system you could fire off a nuclear bomb every night and the 24 hour average sound would be a pass. 


Under the instantaneous noise study  ., the sound from the couriers reverse warning horn exceeds the current  ambient noise level by more then 5% , you project fails the study and you don't ever get built

It all comes down to politics and many times, who gets a backhander (which in Ontario is actually a board of directors position after staff / councillor  retires from city , but its not a bribe hahahaha)

[Dave2]

Dave, I am not smart or have any special skills. I have a good lawyer to whom I pay good money for good advice. I am not afraid to pay for good litigation.

The problem is that most people are afraid of the town planner or inspector. I always try the "nice" approach first, but when it fails and the municipality is wrong, time to litigate.

Netpred:

The only difference between you and me is the quality of the properties.  Most of the ones I am involved in it is not worthwhile to litigate.  Depending on what happens to me I might even have to
consult with you, which I assume a few (good quality) cold ones are sufficient payment.  

Your real smarts are your modesty; that way you do not bring attention to yourself.  You are like the girl who just won the Miss Universe contest and says "I wish I was more beautiful."  The smarts you have are the how and when.  I am still learning.  Be in touch as I may have to tap into that knowledge.

[netpred]

Dave:

You flatter me. Without reason I may add.

You are no doubt confusing me with  .

[Frank]

No smarts needed...just act dumb.  People love to be asked for their opinion.  Always pretend that you don't know anything (even when you really don't).  You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.  However, when the fly refuses to enter the honey trap, then you need to read them the riot act.    

sorry if this sounds corny, but I really didn't know how to word it, if anyone could help me with this I would greatly appreciate it. lol

Dave:

You flatter me. Without reason I may add.

You are no doubt confusing me with  .

[Dave2]

Dave:
You flatter me. Without reason I may add.
You are no doubt confusing me with  .

The only logical way to settle this one is with a couple of cold ones; Colborne Pub

After last night I feel Like an ancient Greek king Pyrrhus of Epirus, who although he defeated the Romans is rumoured to have said after "one more victory and I am ruined; (A pyrrhic victory is so called after him.).  Need your ability to critique my strategy, and the local beer.  As an alternate here

http://beerblog.genx40.com/archive/2005/february/churchkey

Of course we do not discriminate and  (and anyone else) is welcome.

[Dave2]

For those of you who think that this is a glamorous business that you drive around in big black cars with beautiful women drapped on your arm.  The reality is quite different. 

From a PM which I think sums the whole situation up better then I ever could. 

"Be warned, I will be unshaven, unwashed and quite thirsty"