charlton and dack

[DRD]

Has anybody seen this?  what is/was the building used for?

[LarasDad]

Was a schoolhouse from the 30's (to replace previous bldg destroyed when entire town burned down).
Now a "factory"  called Blackbridge Woodworking.

Hope this helps.

[dargon]

In addition to the photos available on OTS, please see these 27 photos taken in 2010:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/carolefuroy/sets/72157624193885021/

P.S.  I believe it is formally Black Bridge Woodworking (Inc.)...  This company has a website... www.blackbridgeonline.com.

[26.2]

P.S.  I believe it is formally Black Bridge Woodworking (Inc.)...  This company has a website... www.blackbridgeonline.com.

I have bought their product many times and recently this year.  Odd to see their name come up here.  I assume they are still around  as a web based company.

[DRD]

thanks to all

Has anybody been there lately... how is the structure?

[shah]

P.S.  I believe it is formally Black Bridge Woodworking (Inc.)...  This company has a website... www.blackbridgeonline.com.

I have bought their product many times and recently this year.  Odd to see their name come up here.  I assume they are still around  as a web based company.

I just called their toll free number. Yes, they are still running the online business.

[Les Pisrael]

 :'(Usually big business walk away from properties when the Feds put big lein  sum$ on title. Does anyone know, if and when property has a fed lien, can the government go after the new purchasers bank accounts and other properties held?
What if there is $10 million Fed Lein and the new owner--uses the lands and ignores the lein?
Note: I'm I correct,the only lein registered can NOT be removed by the municipality is the Fed's?

[cityhunter]

looks like the house from Texas Chainsaw Massacre .... Happy bidding !

[26.2]

Now a "factory"  called Blackbridge Woodworking.  I just called their toll free number. Yes, they are still running the online business.

Another sign of the times.  They are lucky they can continue as a online company.  Manufacturing has been hit hard in Ontario and I don't see a turn around anytime soon.  I bet those space balls they are selling are manufactured off shore.  So the lesson is 'close the shop and start importing'.  I like to think I am not a protectionist, but I have found I am always checking to see where things are made.  I know.... my next TV will have been made half way around the world.  Is there a choice?

[Les Pisrael]

It appears that this building was converted to apts by the sign at the front door. OTS states that it can be re-zoned and there is a stucture but not a cottage or dwelling. The premises is almost 7 hours from Toronto and almost next to Quebec.( Northern part of Quebec--juts in West, Just shows you how stupid English Canada was and did  give large part of northern canada to please the French.
 I recall checking out a Hamilton premises to find out,before the sale--no bldg on lot--it disappeared due to the city demolishing it and then putting it up for tax arrears. Map googling an address can mislead--most of the time-- is not the exact location of the house searched.
A buddy of mine just got zapped by trusting OTS.He was successful in buying two worthless vacant properties in Napanee. One of them he mistook there was a dwelling and bidded accordily. Planning department told him that there were no Pin #/Tax roll # outlines of Napanee properties. After he attempted to oust the supposed occupiers,police called. After contacting the Napanee Planning department along with the police---Plan did exist--showed the lot as vacant and worthless and can not support a permit for a house--The new owner mistook he was buying a house on a lot.
 My advice to all--go first to MPAC office--they have the lot plans--all you need is the Tax roll number. Then go to the city and demand a layout of the lot tendered. Sad that some townships,include in the package. areial and lot outline--what you are bidding on. Napanee has suckered this guy royally. Just imagine how crocked--$14 + only  for a bidding form and a 10 cents envolope

 Help--does anyone have a package kicking around from OTS members only, regarding the recent Napanee sales. Much thankfull if you can send it to me--if there is a cost--no problem( Did OTS give a actual address number?) 

[MHT]

Are these from the Napanee sales in October?  If you could post the PIN #'s I can verify but if they are from the 3 sales that show on this site from the October 28th sale, a quick search shows them all as being vacant residential land.  Your friend might want to find a friendly REALTOR who can do some quick searches on Geowarehouse for him.

[netpred]

Les:

Did OTS list the Napanee property as having a structure or house or otherwise represent that it had a building on it? If so, your friend should talk to a lawyer.

Charlton and Dack is too far for my dream cottage but I did review the OTS listing. It seemed odd to me that the information about the property was that there is no house or cottage on the property but that there is another structure on it. I thought at first that the house in the photo must be behind the property that is being sold. However, it may be that OTS and/or the municipality describes commercial/industrial buildings as "structures".

I guess the moral of the story is that you should conduct complete due dilligence on all properties, including those featured on OTS. OTS is just one resource that bidders should look at. There are lots of stories out there (including an island with a cottage on it!) where municipalities have made an error in mapping the property at issue. Your friend is not the first bidder to purchase one property thinking that he had purchased another.

[Dave2]

Charlton and Dack is too far for my dream cottage but I did review the OTS listing. It seemed odd to me that the information about the property was that there is no house or cottage on the property but that there is another structure on it. I thought at first that the house in the photo must be behind the property that is being sold. However, it may be that OTS and/or the municipality describes commercial/industrial buildings as "structures".

I guess the moral of the story is that you should conduct complete due dilligence on all properties, including those featured on OTS. OTS is just one resource that bidders should look at. There are lots of stories out there (including an island with a cottage on it!) where municipalities have made an error in mapping the property at issue. .

The bottom line is we are buying property as is which means buyer beware.  Personally I don't touch industrial properties because of the risk of environmental contamination and I have certainly come across municipal mistakes on property before both in listing information and location.  Some of them work against you and some of them can work for you.

What I am concerned about Les's friend is that that he apparently did not use the 2 week period to do a full and careful due diligence.   Before you put up your 80% make sure of what you bought.  Speaking from personal experience I have certainly had enough problems with uncooperative municpal officials before the bids are due especially in some rural municipalities.

My experience is though that once you are the winning bidder that changes.   I have always had good cooperation thereafter dependng on what information is available.  Not all information is is accurate or good at muncipal level.  

OTS Jeff or anyone is only as good as the information they have or are provided with.  I have been involved with tax sales less then two hours from Toront where Planning and MPAC did not agree.  In this cases I am careful.

Long term I expect I will have to walk away form my 20% sooner or later.  At that time I will have to face the music and I don't even have this guys defence;  >:(Don't hit me I am wearing glasses.) Her cast iron frying pan that bakes five pancakes at once is heavy.  

[Frank]

I don't even have this guys defence;  >:(Don't hit me I am earing glasses.) Her cast iron frying pan that bakes five pancakes at once is heavy. 

Dave...I'm not sure I get your drift here...what the heck are earing glasses? 

I believe that netpred is correct, the property is zoned Industrial, and has a building, but it cannot be considered a residence at this point, even though it may have at one point been occupied as appartments, but it is in fact a structure.  I would be concerned when I see a building that is vacant and in that condition, that there would likely be a lot of water damage inside, and therefore be a total gut job inside and out...probably better to start fresh.  Speaking of fresh, if you tear it down, and want to rezone it will they let you without a full environmental assessment...being a woodworking shop, and finishing cabinetry with lacquers and paints, it was common practice to just toss this stuff out the back door thinking it would evaporate.   Bottom line, in that area (way too far north), is the property worth the taxes owing...which have accumulated over a number of years on a highly assessed and taxed Industrial property?

[DRD]

Bid on a property last minute and blind last year in Ramara trusting their paperwork. I won and during the 14 day period found their paperwork was wrong, believe it or not they made right and gave back my 20%

So please learn from this, but I believe most towns want to do the right thing.

Doug