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« on: March 10, 2009, 05:37:01 PM »
PFM -
Interesting stuff about Montsanto - but in the end they are evil, and frankly the world is better off without their GM seeds. (period)
And yes, you CAN buy NON Monsanto seeds, heritage seeds etc.
YOU just choose not to for economic reasons - alone.
You are obvious not a certified organic farmer. You use "mass" farming ways, with heavy equipment and pesticides.
And I hesitate to say this - but why are you not moving away from Montsanto? Is it NOT your business?
Especially; if your morals (and arguments here) suggest Monsanto is not your "best partner". I don't get it?
I frankly; cannot understand how in the world you could agree with the argument that Monsanto's only "so called benefit" to the public, is having increased food production (short term) This does not benefit us AT ALL! Just you.
We DO NOT need more food - in N.A or Europe, we are fat enough!
Our "Subsidies" to farmers, also encourage to produce milk and wheat more than we need - (Europeans are throwing out millions of gallons every year!)
What we need is more evenl - "distribution of food". (NOT more food) And we certainly do not want just a - few massive farms as you suggest - in the world. That would be risky and highly STUPID.
What is a drought or deasese hits one or two of 4 mass farms?
? What do you do then?
And the reason Aftrica cannot feed itself, is NOT because it does not have "traditional knowledge" or farming skills, or history to do so...
On the contrary - they do a better job and are more sustainable with smaller farm production (long term) - than our massive, leanings in mechanized and Monsanto-ed "owned" "agri-business" in N.A (North America)
Africa has also been doing farming much longer than you or I.
The geo-political problems in Africa are the ONLY reasons they cannot feed their populations. i.e war and drought and HIV aids.
Our "Subsidies", also encourage to over produce milk and wheat (every year Europeans are throwing out millions of gallons of milk!)
So, that's farming is it?
We ALSO do not know long term issues with such products...although round up we do! Why do you think every municipality in the country has banded lawn spraying???
Lastly; I think your Bio- gas info is again not accurate when it comes to Biogas: (And we are not speaking of ethanol)
Biogas is a combustible fuel which is produced through the Anaerobic Digestion process.
Anaerobic means ?in the absence of oxygen?. There are many families of methane-producing bacteria.
These bacteria produce biogas in the fourth stage of a complex microbiological process. In the right set of circumstances, the organic fraction of liquid or solid biomass can be converted into valuable fuel.
Biogas consists of roughly 40 % ? 70% methane, with the rest being CO2. There are also trace amounts of H2O and H2S produced by the microbiological process. The amount of methane in the biogas is largely a function of the organic input menu.
Worldwide AD/Biogas History:
Anaerobic Digestion occurs naturally, such as in bogs or in ruminant animals. The process of putting organic material into a sealed vessel, removing the oxygen, and thereafter producing biogas has been documented in parts of China and parts of India already 50 years ago.
In parts of Europe,most notably in Switzerland and in the U.K., bench-scale and small-scale digesters were being constructed in the early 1970?s.
Anaerobic Digester/biogas technology has grown exponentially since then.
It is now used for both wastewater treatment and for energy generation. In Western Europe, there are now about 5,000 Anaerobic Digester installations. In Germany alone, there are roughly 4,000 installations, with the total installed power generation capacity of 1,000 MW.
Anaerobic bioconversion is one of many strategies towards a sustainable economy.
In some countries such as Austria, Germany, and Switzerland, vast amounts of organic by-products are converted to biogas in Anaerobic Digesters.
They do three things:
1) They produce "locally" - natural methane that can be converted to electricity. (Locally)
2) They utilize local corn, soya spent materials (unsaleable materials), manure and mostly restaurant oils (that would be normally spent, thrown into landfil)
3) They generate 1000MW - that is used by local "smaller" farms, that is sustianable, and does not add to any natural occuring CO2 immisions.
4) Adds power to the grid so that no other forms of electrical production is required. i.e nuke, dams or coal burning facilities.
This overall cost effective and Co2 neutral method - saves money for the farmer, the general public for atomic plants, and has not long term effect or costs associated with ANY other power generation facilities.
They may not be able to power/sustain a large gas, electrical user. But, for a smaller farm they are an excellent alternative to coal, atomic or hydro dams.
Interesting stuff about Montsanto - but in the end they are evil, and frankly the world is better off without their GM seeds. (period)
And yes, you CAN buy NON Monsanto seeds, heritage seeds etc.
YOU just choose not to for economic reasons - alone.
You are obvious not a certified organic farmer. You use "mass" farming ways, with heavy equipment and pesticides.
And I hesitate to say this - but why are you not moving away from Montsanto? Is it NOT your business?
Especially; if your morals (and arguments here) suggest Monsanto is not your "best partner". I don't get it?
I frankly; cannot understand how in the world you could agree with the argument that Monsanto's only "so called benefit" to the public, is having increased food production (short term) This does not benefit us AT ALL! Just you.
We DO NOT need more food - in N.A or Europe, we are fat enough!
Our "Subsidies" to farmers, also encourage to produce milk and wheat more than we need - (Europeans are throwing out millions of gallons every year!)
What we need is more evenl - "distribution of food". (NOT more food) And we certainly do not want just a - few massive farms as you suggest - in the world. That would be risky and highly STUPID.
What is a drought or deasese hits one or two of 4 mass farms?
? What do you do then? And the reason Aftrica cannot feed itself, is NOT because it does not have "traditional knowledge" or farming skills, or history to do so...
On the contrary - they do a better job and are more sustainable with smaller farm production (long term) - than our massive, leanings in mechanized and Monsanto-ed "owned" "agri-business" in N.A (North America)
Africa has also been doing farming much longer than you or I.
The geo-political problems in Africa are the ONLY reasons they cannot feed their populations. i.e war and drought and HIV aids.
Our "Subsidies", also encourage to over produce milk and wheat (every year Europeans are throwing out millions of gallons of milk!)
So, that's farming is it?
We ALSO do not know long term issues with such products...although round up we do! Why do you think every municipality in the country has banded lawn spraying???
Lastly; I think your Bio- gas info is again not accurate when it comes to Biogas: (And we are not speaking of ethanol)
Biogas is a combustible fuel which is produced through the Anaerobic Digestion process.
Anaerobic means ?in the absence of oxygen?. There are many families of methane-producing bacteria.
These bacteria produce biogas in the fourth stage of a complex microbiological process. In the right set of circumstances, the organic fraction of liquid or solid biomass can be converted into valuable fuel.
Biogas consists of roughly 40 % ? 70% methane, with the rest being CO2. There are also trace amounts of H2O and H2S produced by the microbiological process. The amount of methane in the biogas is largely a function of the organic input menu.
Worldwide AD/Biogas History:
Anaerobic Digestion occurs naturally, such as in bogs or in ruminant animals. The process of putting organic material into a sealed vessel, removing the oxygen, and thereafter producing biogas has been documented in parts of China and parts of India already 50 years ago.
In parts of Europe,most notably in Switzerland and in the U.K., bench-scale and small-scale digesters were being constructed in the early 1970?s.
Anaerobic Digester/biogas technology has grown exponentially since then.
It is now used for both wastewater treatment and for energy generation. In Western Europe, there are now about 5,000 Anaerobic Digester installations. In Germany alone, there are roughly 4,000 installations, with the total installed power generation capacity of 1,000 MW.
Anaerobic bioconversion is one of many strategies towards a sustainable economy.
In some countries such as Austria, Germany, and Switzerland, vast amounts of organic by-products are converted to biogas in Anaerobic Digesters.
They do three things:
1) They produce "locally" - natural methane that can be converted to electricity. (Locally)
2) They utilize local corn, soya spent materials (unsaleable materials), manure and mostly restaurant oils (that would be normally spent, thrown into landfil)
3) They generate 1000MW - that is used by local "smaller" farms, that is sustianable, and does not add to any natural occuring CO2 immisions.
4) Adds power to the grid so that no other forms of electrical production is required. i.e nuke, dams or coal burning facilities.
This overall cost effective and Co2 neutral method - saves money for the farmer, the general public for atomic plants, and has not long term effect or costs associated with ANY other power generation facilities.
They may not be able to power/sustain a large gas, electrical user. But, for a smaller farm they are an excellent alternative to coal, atomic or hydro dams.
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