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General / Re: Private property vs the road allowance
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General / Re: Private property vs the road allowance
« on: May 14, 2021, 07:40:42 PM »
I read the road access act. It says you cannot block an access road. These properties were all owned by one owner and they were private trails not an access road. I don't consider these trails as access as they have legal access via a road allowance. I have my lawyer ready as I cannot back down from this one as these are my private hunting grounds and I don't want to see a vehicle drive though during my hunting time. The other properties are not legally landlocked.
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General / Private property vs the road allowance
« on: May 13, 2021, 01:57:50 PM »
I purchased tax sale land 9 years ago and have lately, new property owners wanting to access their lands through my private trails. I had recently, a crown attorney harassing me saying this is an access road. It is my understanding you can deny trespassing on private trails if they have a road allowance available to you. Trespass law only deems passage possible if you are landlocked and not out of inconvenience or expense. It does not matter if it is unopened and not my problem to give them the red carpet treatment. Am I correct? I need help of wolves.
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General Discussion / Survey stakes
« on: October 15, 2018, 08:25:08 PM »
I recently won the Tehkummah bid for 25 more acres on my beloved Manitoulin. There isn't any longitude or latitude coordinates for the property stakes in any of the paperwork for either of my properties. I won a 100 acre tax sale, one lot over a couple years ago. Does anyone know where I could access the stake info without having to go to a surveyor? I went to the twp office and they are not up to date with their planning maps.
Hoping someone has the answer.
Hoping someone has the answer.
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General Discussion / Re: Billings Township results?
« on: January 07, 2017, 03:22:14 PM »
Hello Mountain man
For I am forest femme. I am logged in yet the messages regarding billings will not open. I would like to know what this ridiculous bid was and how many acres for I bought a forest on this island and had a happy surprise of a little cabin deep within and would like to try my luck again. For I am forest femme
For I am forest femme. I am logged in yet the messages regarding billings will not open. I would like to know what this ridiculous bid was and how many acres for I bought a forest on this island and had a happy surprise of a little cabin deep within and would like to try my luck again. For I am forest femme
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General Discussion / Billings Township results?
« on: January 04, 2017, 06:55:39 PM »
I can't open the other comments regarding the results of the Kagawong property. Can anyone tell me how much it went for?
Thanks
Thanks
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General Discussion / Re: Island J in Sharbot Lake
« on: November 27, 2013, 08:14:44 PM »Good luck to all bidders. What's happening, Manitoulin Lady? Bring us up to date.
I am a Manitoulin lady that bought that Tehkummah property last year are you referring to me?
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General / Re: Help Board Advice Needed
« on: June 05, 2012, 12:00:34 AM »
Good lord Dave2 that's a horrible way to show the family album! My family ancestoral roots are from Scotland too. We saved the King by turning the bull. The Manitoulin is where my ancestors and many other families settled from Scotland. Thanks again for all the help I really do appreciate it.
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General / Re: Help Board Advice Needed
« on: June 04, 2012, 11:13:38 PM »
Jima I did go physically to each corner marker this is how I made the map. It was a lot of walking because the atv trails did not extend to the posts.
Netpred there is an LT on my pin number.
Netpred there is an LT on my pin number.
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General / Re: Help Board Advice Needed
« on: June 04, 2012, 05:32:37 PM »
If he wanted to perjure himself, and the previous owners cant be found...and the judge is his brother.... the best he can win is the cabin..but not the land around it as its not fenced ....he could then access the cabin by repelling from a helicopter from a legal minimum altitude of 500 ft .
Does he have deeded access across the land to get to his?? PFM you crack me up! Love your answers!! Clink Cheers!
"Cabin claimer" does not have deeded access, he uses my property to get to his. I offered him out of good faith permission to take the woodstove and replace it with another used stove as he claimed it had sentimental value. He came back with " well Its just a stove." I also offered his dirty blankets and bits of string everywhere but he has not indicated he wants any of it. I think I am going to bag as much stuff and put it around the side of the camp for him to pick up if he contacts me again.
Kariebell: I prefer to have a "vodka" with my neighbours if that is possible. This case shows the differing views on life we all have and as the comedian Bill Cosby said so aptly," Different strokes for different folks. " Hope everthing works out well.
Dave2 I always will try to have a Vodka with the neighbors, a few of my girls have shared in what I call "a six shotter drink" during these stressful times of my real estate ignorance.
Netpred (c) any interest or title acquired by adverse possession by abutting landowners before the registration of the tax deed. 2001, c. 25, s. 379 (7); 2006, c. 32, Sched. A, s. 156 (3).
Third, while PFM is correct that adverse possession is normally not possible in land titles, it is possible if the possessory title arose prior to first registration.
I have this written on my Municipal Tax recovery letterhead. I have tried to understand what this means. It is my understanding that the possessory claim would have had to be placed before the tax sale and that it would of showed on the the title search? I have not seen that.
I look forward to the day I can sit around the fire and listen to the wolves. Hopefully this guy comes to his senses and goes build himself another camp on his own property. Next issue any ideas on a dog run for a 4 lb Chihuahua in a land full of predators? lol just kidding I think I have that one figured out.... maybe or do I? hmmm
Does he have deeded access across the land to get to his?? PFM you crack me up! Love your answers!! Clink Cheers!
"Cabin claimer" does not have deeded access, he uses my property to get to his. I offered him out of good faith permission to take the woodstove and replace it with another used stove as he claimed it had sentimental value. He came back with " well Its just a stove." I also offered his dirty blankets and bits of string everywhere but he has not indicated he wants any of it. I think I am going to bag as much stuff and put it around the side of the camp for him to pick up if he contacts me again.
Kariebell: I prefer to have a "vodka" with my neighbours if that is possible. This case shows the differing views on life we all have and as the comedian Bill Cosby said so aptly," Different strokes for different folks. " Hope everthing works out well.
Dave2 I always will try to have a Vodka with the neighbors, a few of my girls have shared in what I call "a six shotter drink" during these stressful times of my real estate ignorance.
Netpred (c) any interest or title acquired by adverse possession by abutting landowners before the registration of the tax deed. 2001, c. 25, s. 379 (7); 2006, c. 32, Sched. A, s. 156 (3).
Third, while PFM is correct that adverse possession is normally not possible in land titles, it is possible if the possessory title arose prior to first registration.
I have this written on my Municipal Tax recovery letterhead. I have tried to understand what this means. It is my understanding that the possessory claim would have had to be placed before the tax sale and that it would of showed on the the title search? I have not seen that.
I look forward to the day I can sit around the fire and listen to the wolves. Hopefully this guy comes to his senses and goes build himself another camp on his own property. Next issue any ideas on a dog run for a 4 lb Chihuahua in a land full of predators? lol just kidding I think I have that one figured out.... maybe or do I? hmmm
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General / Re: Help Board Advice Needed
« on: June 04, 2012, 05:01:07 PM »
Thank you very much for all your responses.
Dave2 I did go up and take pictures and even took a home video of the inside of the Camp like you advised. I know you suggested I not break the locks however I had to break a lock on the main gate which several owners use and one of the neighbors helped me get contact info for all the other land owners so I could mail them a key. One of the owners was the abutting neighbor "cabin claimer" so I think the complication was just fast tracked to now rather than hunting season. It is also a four hour drive to look in windows and I did notify the police I did break the padlocks.
a) Can you live with someone else occupying the cabin for 5 days a year in late October / November? i.e. are you a deer hunter or not? I am fearfull of allowing someone into the cabin that may hold a grudge and destroy it. My insurance company covers liability of the land but will not insure the camp. I am in fact a deer hunter and will be there for bow and gun season.
b) Is the property registered in land titles or not? I think it is but will check when I get home. I did have infomation sent to me of the prior owners when I did a title search and the information came from the Land Registry Office in Gore Bay via Hutchinson Title Searchers. There was no easement etc and no deeded permission of land crossers and no mention of the "Cabin claimer".
c) How much of the property do you lose if he gets the cabin in percentage terms. [/font] [/color] The Cabin is build approximately 250ft east of the property line and at least 700ft from the North property line. The allure of 93.125 acres is not the same as a full 100. See attached map of property.
Dave2 I did go up and take pictures and even took a home video of the inside of the Camp like you advised. I know you suggested I not break the locks however I had to break a lock on the main gate which several owners use and one of the neighbors helped me get contact info for all the other land owners so I could mail them a key. One of the owners was the abutting neighbor "cabin claimer" so I think the complication was just fast tracked to now rather than hunting season. It is also a four hour drive to look in windows and I did notify the police I did break the padlocks.
a) Can you live with someone else occupying the cabin for 5 days a year in late October / November? i.e. are you a deer hunter or not? I am fearfull of allowing someone into the cabin that may hold a grudge and destroy it. My insurance company covers liability of the land but will not insure the camp. I am in fact a deer hunter and will be there for bow and gun season.
b) Is the property registered in land titles or not? I think it is but will check when I get home. I did have infomation sent to me of the prior owners when I did a title search and the information came from the Land Registry Office in Gore Bay via Hutchinson Title Searchers. There was no easement etc and no deeded permission of land crossers and no mention of the "Cabin claimer".
c) How much of the property do you lose if he gets the cabin in percentage terms. [/font] [/color] The Cabin is build approximately 250ft east of the property line and at least 700ft from the North property line. The allure of 93.125 acres is not the same as a full 100. See attached map of property.
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General / Help Board Advice Needed
« on: June 01, 2012, 11:53:08 AM »
Ok so I went to my Tehkummah property to inspect my recently purchased acreage and the bonus camp that is on the property. I had to access the main gate to drive to the property so I have had to find the other owners to mail the keys for the lock I had to replace. The camp was in fact there, all contents were inside and needed a bit of an airing out and eviction of about 30 bats living on the outside tar paper wall covering, other than that it was all good. I found a name on the building indicating a different last name so I asked a neighbor if he new why the last name of the owner of the acreage beside me would have a camp in my property lines. "I found all the stakes and it is definitely in my property lines". I contacted by phone the owner beside me and he returned my call saying I can send the key to the address on my files. He also apologized for the confusion about the camp and said it was his father who built it in the 60`s on a guessed location and was aware it was not on his property lines but the prior owner said it was ok to use it the five days hunting season per year and did not have to be evicted. The father recently passed away in March of this year so I assume the land may be an inheritance to the present owner. I am not sure though.
He said I own all the land... however because of adverse possession "squatters rights" he still claims the camp as his. I told him that I already changed the locks and that it is no longer his and he had known the land was going to tax sale and did not bid. I told him he can still cross the property to get to his land but he can no longer access the camp. He said he is going to get a lawyer and I said do what you have to do. I already put no trespassing signs in the windows of the camp and after my very stressful convo with the prior camp builder`s son I immediatly called the Island Police and reported the conversation just in case anything happens to burn down or have further problems with the person. They took my information and said to let them know of any more future problems.
Is there anything I am missing? Have I done the right thing? Is there anything else I need to do ie: lawyer up or wait until he makes the first move? I also would like to know if I should contact the township and let them know this person is claiming a building even though the township was not aware it was there? He said he was going to call them, should I beat him to the punch?
Please help as I am new at this and respect what the "pros" have to advise.
Thank you
What do I need to do to arm myself against this problem!
He said I own all the land... however because of adverse possession "squatters rights" he still claims the camp as his. I told him that I already changed the locks and that it is no longer his and he had known the land was going to tax sale and did not bid. I told him he can still cross the property to get to his land but he can no longer access the camp. He said he is going to get a lawyer and I said do what you have to do. I already put no trespassing signs in the windows of the camp and after my very stressful convo with the prior camp builder`s son I immediatly called the Island Police and reported the conversation just in case anything happens to burn down or have further problems with the person. They took my information and said to let them know of any more future problems.
Is there anything I am missing? Have I done the right thing? Is there anything else I need to do ie: lawyer up or wait until he makes the first move? I also would like to know if I should contact the township and let them know this person is claiming a building even though the township was not aware it was there? He said he was going to call them, should I beat him to the punch?
Please help as I am new at this and respect what the "pros" have to advise.
Thank you
What do I need to do to arm myself against this problem!
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Questions and Answers / Re: Newbie's First Time
« on: May 23, 2012, 05:48:08 PM »
Thank you very much for all the suggestions. The forsight is very valuable to me to move forward. As far as the Ministry of Northern Development and Mines I already had the rights signed when I recieved the deed. They were very quick. My sale date was April 13. The family thing? got that covered too. Turns out my closest neighbor is my Uncles namesake and knows my family history on the Island. The property I just purchased was also owned originally by my family about 150 years ago. Very strange coincidences.
I will be going to the local police and have my 40 or so No Trespassing signs in hand. I might also make a "smile you're on deer cam" sign, not sure though. I will be going friday to the local Municipal office as suggested by Dave2. I always try to use Island businesses and had used a company on the Island for the title search. I think that should take care of the name of the last owner? Right?
ErnestBidder great idea, I will be taking pictures of everything with datestamps. I also downloaded a program that gives exact gps locates of where each picture has been taken with my iphone. "There's an app for that"
I contacted the Land Registry office to get the exact dimensions of the lot and created a map with longitude and latitudes to find the other markers. I have found the first one and have the coodinates of it. I will have the google earth map I created of the property with me if the police need a visual. Looks like the surprise building is 200 ft over the property line. Should I have property insurance?
I appreciate the congratulations and advice. Oh and I will have the male species with me however as a backup I will bring my bow. Are there any Wolves that could provide more ideas or do I have it pretty much covered. I am a first timer so everything is new to me.
The forsight is very valuable to me to move forward. As far as the Ministry of Northern Development and Mines I already had the rights signed when I recieved the deed. They were very quick. My sale date was April 13. The family thing? got that covered too. Turns out my closest neighbor is my Uncles namesake and knows my family history on the Island. The property I just purchased was also owned originally by my family about 150 years ago. Very strange coincidences.I will be going to the local police and have my 40 or so No Trespassing signs in hand. I might also make a "smile you're on deer cam" sign, not sure though. I will be going friday to the local Municipal office as suggested by Dave2. I always try to use Island businesses and had used a company on the Island for the title search. I think that should take care of the name of the last owner? Right?
ErnestBidder great idea, I will be taking pictures of everything with datestamps. I also downloaded a program that gives exact gps locates of where each picture has been taken with my iphone. "There's an app for that"
I contacted the Land Registry office to get the exact dimensions of the lot and created a map with longitude and latitudes to find the other markers. I have found the first one and have the coodinates of it. I will have the google earth map I created of the property with me if the police need a visual. Looks like the surprise building is 200 ft over the property line. Should I have property insurance?I appreciate the congratulations and advice. Oh and I will have the male species with me however as a backup I will bring my bow
. Are there any Wolves that could provide more ideas or do I have it pretty much covered. I am a first timer so everything is new to me.
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Questions and Answers / Newbie's First Time
« on: May 16, 2012, 03:41:40 PM »
I have a couple questions regarding property.
I am a "newb" and just won my first tender in Tehkummah Twp. Manitoulin Island. My family is from the Island and I have always dreamed of having land of my own up there.
I just acquired 100 acres of land which I will use for recreational and hunting purposes. I did find half a dozen deer stands but only travelled half the property. I was talking to a surveyor and he was looking at satellite imagery and has found a red shiny rooftop in the northern end of the land that I had no idea of and am pretty darn happy about. However I have read in the past don't count on anything until my eyes see it myself as it may be torn down or burnt etc. My questions are...
1. if there is a good cabin and there are locks on the door and personal items inside am I able to break in? I have the tax deed.
2. Do I need to notify police that I am going to break into the cabin?
3. if the owners or hunters come to the cabin saying it is theirs and we are already inside what are my options other than running
4. if there is a cabin or not should I insure the lands/cabin?
5. do I need title insurance?
Finally I would like to thank the regulars for their comments and posts on this site as I have found them very informational. I read read and read before I actually put in this tender and waited about a year til the right property came up on OTS. Without the posts I probably would not have even attempted it. PS I also learned some of us drink too much beer. I am a vodka girl Hope to see some answers to my questions and thanks again!
I am a "newb" and just won my first tender in Tehkummah Twp. Manitoulin Island. My family is from the Island and I have always dreamed of having land of my own up there.
I just acquired 100 acres of land which I will use for recreational and hunting purposes. I did find half a dozen deer stands but only travelled half the property. I was talking to a surveyor and he was looking at satellite imagery and has found a red shiny rooftop in the northern end of the land that I had no idea of and am pretty darn happy about.
However I have read in the past don't count on anything until my eyes see it myself as it may be torn down or burnt etc. My questions are...1. if there is a good cabin and there are locks on the door and personal items inside am I able to break in? I have the tax deed.
2. Do I need to notify police that I am going to break into the cabin?
3. if the owners or hunters come to the cabin saying it is theirs and we are already inside what are my options other than running
4. if there is a cabin or not should I insure the lands/cabin?
5. do I need title insurance?
Finally I would like to thank the regulars for their comments and posts on this site as I have found them very informational. I read read and read before I actually put in this tender and waited about a year til the right property came up on OTS. Without the posts I probably would not have even attempted it. PS I also learned some of us drink too much beer. I am a vodka girl
Hope to see some answers to my questions and thanks again!
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